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Archives for September 25, 2006

Skepticism Versus Being An AGW Skeptic: A Note from David Tribe

September 25, 2006 By jennifer

The Australian Environment Foundation had its first conference and AGM last weekend.* There was some discussion on the subject of anthropogenic global warming (AGW).

In my talk I suggested that in the film ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ Al Gore took away the potential for dissent by making global warming a moral issue. I suggested he turned it into an issue of faith.

I quoted Thomas Huxley (a colleague of Charles Darwin) who once wrote something along the lines of “religion is for morality, science is for factuality”.

I went on to suggest that there is no ‘truth’, however inconvenient, that should not be exposed to the blow torch of healthy skepticism and there should be no claim, however morally appealing, that we are not prepared to test against the available evidence.

After my paper there was some discussion about semantics, in particular, David Tribe made comment that it is important to be clear about the distinction between skepticism and being an AGM skeptic.

He made the same point as a comment at another blog post this afternoon:

“This is a good a place as any for me to repeat my view said previously directly to Jen Marohasy that it’s highly important to be clear about semantic distinction between scepticism and being a sceptic on AGW. The later implying you reject well established findings.

I consider that it is part of scientific ethics to always be upfront about the limitation to current data and theories. That is, to know and freely state where certainty and range of precision lie, and to never have to apologise for expecting that, because to fail in doing this do so is professionally unethical.

To demand clearer statements from IPCC about the validity and uncertainty range of their claims is not necessarily to be in disagreement with the validity of parts of their model, but normal ethical practice in science. For example IPCC clearly failed ethically in the hockey stick episode. The computer model has numerous complex assumptions that are empirically unproven.

I note also there is substantial empirical evidence for solar forcing processes whose mechanisms are uncertain. That does not mean I am an AGW sceptic: I want to see those aspects of the IPCC model tested against this recent interesting solar driving hypothesis as it could mean all the CO2 efforts being advocated (Kyoto etc) are completely unnecessary or indeed counter productive.”

Does David make an important point? Most so-called AGW skeptics are not AGW skeptics. They do not deny that C02 causes warming, but rather recognize the limitations of the current data and theories.

In calling us AGW skeptics, are the AGW alarmists suggesting we deny the physics of carbon dioxide based forcing?

So is my recent blog post entitled ‘How to Become a Global Warming Skeptic’ misleading, because while I accepted the label, and encouraged others to nominate for the label, I also explained that I don’t deny global warming or climate change or that increasing levels of carbon dioxide may drive warming.

Should we reject the ‘global warming skeptic’ label? What would George Orwell of said?

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* I’ll do a summary of the AEF conference for this blog in due course and link to the conference papers which should be up at the AEF website by the end of the week. In the meantime you can see some of the photos from the conference at
http://www.aefweb.info/display/con2006gallery.html . Some regular contributors to this blog were at the conference including David Tribe and Walter Starck.

Filed Under: Uncategorized Tagged With: Climate & Climate Change

Low Temperatures Over Antarctica

September 25, 2006 By jennifer

I received the following note:

“Hi Jennifer,

Tonight the ABC news reported on the large ozone hole over the Antarctic.

On the news, first it was claimed that the large hole was responsible for the record cold weather there. Then that the cold weather was destroying the ozone and causing the hole.

Can you have it both ways?

Cheers, Helen Mahar”

According to ABC New Online:

“Dr Paul Fraser from the CSIRO says the lowest temperatures ever recorded in Antarctica’s upper stratosphere this winter – minus 85 degrees – are the cause.

“It’s certainly the coldest we have ever seen and it requires very cold temperatures to get very significant ozone depletion,” Dr Fraser said.”

And how does this fit with the IPCC global warming projections?

Filed Under: Uncategorized Tagged With: Climate & Climate Change

Wyaralong Dam: Water More Expensive Than Desalination?

September 25, 2006 By jennifer

By the end of the recent state election in Queensland, the Labor Party was proposing not one, but five new dams and the the Coalition a whooping eight new dams. The Wyaralong dam is being planned for a catchment just south of Brisbane and west of the Gold Coast in the Beaudesert Shire. Occasional responder at this blog Sylvia Else, has done some research, and claims even desalinated water would be cheaper than water from the Wyaralong Dam:

Hi Jennifer,

I’ve been puzzling over the proposed Wyaralong dam. Given the government’s own cost estimates and the estimated yield, and using an interest rate of 7.5% and inflation rate of 3%, I cannot get the cost of the raw, i.e.
unfiltered, water below $1 per kilolitre, even when I assume a life of 100 years for the dam. I don’t know how much it costs to filter water, but Sydney Water charges 46 cents per kilolitre less for unfiltered water, so filtering is presumably reasonably costly.

This appears to mean that bulk filtered water from Wyaralong dam will be more expensive than desalinated water. With Perth’s desalinator capital and running costs, I get a bulk water cost of $1.02 per kilolitre.

It’s true that the only place one can desalinate seawater is on the coast, but it appears that the government’s intention is that all of the water supply systems should be connected together in a network, so desalinated water could be distributed to anywhere that the Wyaralong dam could serve.

So why build the dam? It seems to make no economic sense, even if the wished for rainfall (based on the next 100 years being like the last) appears.

There was a line in the Hitch-Hikers’ Guide to the Galaxy. When asked why it was necessary to build a by-pass over the top of Arthur Dent’s house, the council official’s reply was “What do you mean, why has it got to be built? It’s a by-pass. You’ve got to build by-passes.”

May be that’s the reasoning being used here.

Regards
Sylvia Else

Filed Under: Uncategorized Tagged With: Water

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